{"id":101,"date":"2011-09-14T21:58:01","date_gmt":"2011-09-15T04:58:01","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/catechumenate-guyblog.org\/?p=101"},"modified":"2020-01-26T13:42:00","modified_gmt":"2020-01-26T21:42:00","slug":"roman-catholic-to-episcopalian-part-of-the-journey","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/catechumenate-guyblog.org\/?p=101","title":{"rendered":"Roman Catholic to Episcopalian:  Part of the Journey"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I enjoy telling this story, if for no other reason than its irony.&nbsp; Warning: it is fairly lengthy.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Preamble:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><\/strong>My critical eye towards the Roman Catholic branch of the church started while in the seminary at Mt. Angel.&nbsp; We were taught to be critical (i.e. &#8220;analytical&#8221;).&nbsp;&nbsp; The critical eye opened wider while at Claremont School of Theology, which is first and foremost a Methodist seminary.&nbsp; (I went there because of its fantastic Scripture study program.)&nbsp; While at Notre Dame the critical turned into the skeptical.&nbsp; I was the Teacher Assistant for &#8216;Bill Storey, one of the church history profs.&nbsp; Bill is Roman Catholic but one who saw a huge stumbling block (scandalia) in the RC.&nbsp; We call it the papacy.&nbsp; When the Patriarch of the West (i.e. the Pope) attempted to grab power from other patriarchs around 1000, we had the Great Schism.&nbsp; When the Pope decided to crack down on the prophets aligned with new national states in the 16th Century (i.e. Luther, Calvin and others), we had the Western schism.&nbsp; The papacy has been the major factor in Christians, both Eastern and Western, failing to come anywhere not to the ideal of being &#8220;\u00d6ne&#8221;(as in one, holy, catholic, apostolic)<\/p>\n<p>In addition, Dick McBrien&#8217;s influence in ecclesiology and his sympathy with Hans Kung, helped me realize the fallacy of the papal primacy claim in both its succession and juridical aspects.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Immediate cause of the transition:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When we moved back to California, I joined our local parish RCIA team.&nbsp; I was invited to &#8220;teach&#8221; (yes, [shame, shame], I lectured in the catechumenate) two sessions on the Roman Catholic church stance towards scripture.&nbsp; I focused on the <em>results<\/em> of&nbsp; the Vatican II &#8220;Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation&#8221; (i.e. that it gave greater freedom to scripture scholars to use historical-critical method and to see myth and story for what they are, myth and story) and provided examples in both the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament.&nbsp; At the end of all this, a candidate remarked, &#8220;So it sounds like you&#8217;re saying that Catholics are not fundamentalist.&#8221;&nbsp; I told her that, in terms of scripture, that was exactly what I was saying.<\/p>\n<p>But I didn&#8217;t stop there, because I don&#8217;t like to whitewash the Church.&nbsp; If you&#8217;re going to join us then know all aspects of this institution.&nbsp; &#8220;However,&#8221;I said, &#8220;what you will find in the Catholic Church is what I call &#8216;Papal Fundamentalist,&#8217; that is, people who believe that every word out of the Pope&#8217;s mouth is infallible.&nbsp; That&#8217;s not the case.&#8221;&nbsp; At this point one member of the team got up and said, &#8220;I&#8217;ve had it,&#8221; as she stormed out of the room.&nbsp; Another person shouted out, &#8220;That&#8217;s your opinion!<\/p>\n<p>I responded, &#8220;No it isn&#8217;t.&#8221; and cited the Vatican II &#8220;Declaration on Religious Freedom&#8221;(Chapter 1, Par 3) as well as Romans (14:5-10).&nbsp; I qualified this with saying that each of us has a responsibility to the magisterium and to seek counsel while making ethical decisions (yada, yada, yada).&nbsp; &#8220;We will go into this more when we discuss Catholic ethics,&#8221;I concluded.&nbsp; (I quote because I remember the moments very clearly.)<\/p>\n<p>Later that week the pastor asked for my resignation from the RCIA team.&nbsp; He took away my main ministry in the parish and I knew I had nowhere to go for an appeal.&nbsp; So I started looking around for a denomination that had as full a sacramental life as the Roman church has.&nbsp; From what little I knew, the Episcopal church seemed a solid alternative.&nbsp; And the rest is history.<\/p>\n<p>Moral of the story:&nbsp; we all can and do grow through the catechumenate!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I enjoy telling this story, if for no other reason than its irony.&nbsp; Warning: it is fairly lengthy. 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